{"id":100177,"date":"2024-02-03T07:54:27","date_gmt":"2024-02-03T12:54:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.owegopennysaver.com\/PS\/?p=100177"},"modified":"2024-02-03T07:54:27","modified_gmt":"2024-02-03T12:54:27","slug":"cars-we-remember-collector-car-corner-buick-club-founder-responds-and-a-pair-of-impressive-pontiacs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.owegopennysaver.com\/PS\/2024\/02\/03\/cars-we-remember-collector-car-corner-buick-club-founder-responds-and-a-pair-of-impressive-pontiacs\/","title":{"rendered":"Cars We Remember \/ Collector Car Corner; Buick club founder responds and a pair of impressive Pontiacs"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>By Greg Zyla &#8212;<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">We\u2019re trying to get caught up on our mail, and thanks to my loyal readers who take the time to correspond.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Buick muscle club founder chats it up&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Q: Greg, I\u2019m a 75 year old \u201cGolden Era&#8221; muscle car enthusiast, and to my pleasant surprise I recently came upon your article on Buick muscle cars (p. 36 and 37) in Classic Car Round-Up magazine while at the \u201cBooks-a-Million\u201d store here in Valdosta, Ga.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Considering the many aspects of the car hobby that&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"s2\"><i>you<\/i><\/span><span class=\"s1\">&nbsp;must be involved with, I thought you did a great&nbsp;job with that article.&nbsp;I bought my 1970 GS Stage 1 new in March of 1970 and my GNX in October of 1987, so you might say that I&#8217;m a Buick loyalist. I do have a couple of later model high performance &#8220;appliances&#8221; including a 1995 ZR-1 and a 2005 Ford GT. &nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">I\u2019m usually&nbsp;drawn to the more unusual &#8220;stuff&#8221;, and I really like &#8220;sleepers&#8221;. My GNX was purchased directly from Buick due to my affiliations&nbsp;with Buick engineering back in those days.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><i>&#8220;You&#8217;ll be getting a GNX at dealer cost, so what dealer would you like it delivered to,&#8221;<\/i>&nbsp;was how the conversation went back in 1987. Mine was the only GNX to ever be sold that way, and before I even got the car I had agents&nbsp;from (Hotel CEO) Bill Marriott, (Baseball legend) Reggie Jackson, and (investment guru) Charles Schwab try to buy&nbsp;my &#8220;contract&#8221; for the car.&nbsp;Of course, that was a &#8220;no-go&#8221;.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_100179\" style=\"width: 510px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-100179\" class=\"size-full wp-image-100179\" src=\"http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector2.jpg\" alt=\"Cars We Remember \/ Collector Car Corner; Buick club founder responds and a pair of impressive Pontiacs\" width=\"500\" height=\"396\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector2.jpg 500w, http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector2-300x238.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-100179\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Buick of all kinds will head to Beech Bend Raceway this May and support the 2024 event, which in its 43rd&nbsp;year promises to attract both fast race cars and collectible street driven Buicks from all decades. (GN Club Photo)<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">With Buick&#8217;s generosity, I would never be so mercenary as to do such a thing. Brand spanking new with the paper dealer plate still on the car, it ran a 13.33@105.04 mph on those \u201cbig-for-the-day\u201d P255X50-16 Goodyear Gatorbacks at Gainesville Raceway. I also know all about the&nbsp;13.38&nbsp;@ 105+ mph 1970 GS Stage 1 that you mentioned in your feature article covered in the January 1970 issue of Motor Trend.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">My GS is #1 with me because that&#8217;s where all my youthful memories lie. I enjoyed your comments about its performance parity with the various 426 Hemi models. You see I have proof positive of that statement from&nbsp;back in 1984.&nbsp;But that&#8217;s an old, long story in itself. (Greg Note: Please let us know, as my readers and I would love to hear your story.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">I founded the Buick GS Club of America in 1981 and we will be having our annual meet once again this May 15-18.&nbsp;It&#8217;s our 43rd such event, always held in Bowling Green, Kentucky.&nbsp;So, I &#8220;know&#8221; my Buick muscle cars very&nbsp;well,&nbsp;and most of the&nbsp;others, too!&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">You mentioned Kenny Duttweiler (the noted Buick turbo engine builder, racer, Bonneville record holder). He and Marge used to attend our Buick Club of America Nationals back in the 1990&#8217;s.&nbsp;A quiet and humble gentleman, he is.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Best Regards, Richard Lasseter, Valdosta, Ga.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">A: Richard, thanks so very much for your interesting letter, and congrats on the success of your Buick GS Club of America. I\u2019m sure your May event will be a big, well-attended hit. Whenever I mention Buicks in my column I receive numerous letters from thrilled owners of those Buick \u201csleepers\u201d you speak of, especially cars like GNX and GS Stage 1 cars you own.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Thanks again Richard, and I am honored you took the time to write. As for your other \u201cappliances\u201d, ala your Corvette ZR-1 and Ford GT, all I can say is \u201cwow.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_100180\" style=\"width: 710px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector3.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-100180\" class=\"size-full wp-image-100180\" src=\"http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector3.jpg\" alt=\"Cars We Remember \/ Collector Car Corner; Buick club founder responds and a pair of impressive Pontiacs\" width=\"700\" height=\"368\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector3.jpg 700w, http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector3-300x158.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-100180\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Towanda, Pennsylvania\u2019s Mike Sena is the proud owner of this 2003 Pontiac Vibe, still looking great with over 228,000 miles on the odometer. Sena knew of the car\u2019s true DNA, as it was built alongside the Toyota Matrix at Toyota\u2019s plant in Fremont, Calif. It was a Pontiac in name only, thanks to an agreement between GM and Toyota. (Sena Collection)<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Two Pontiacs worthy of note; one fast, one a \u2018Toyota\u2019<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Q: Greg, I just read your article on Pontiacs in this morning\u2019s Daily Review in Towanda, Pa. It\u2019s a shame the Pontiac division got the axe from GM in 2010, as Pontiac made some great cars over the years. Muscle Pontiacs are probably best remembered for John DeLorean\u2019s brainchild, the GTO.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">I also think the \u201crope drive\u201d 61-63 Tempests (Greg note: \u201crope drive\u201d known in relation to a very thin and uniquely flexible drive shaft the size of a small \u201crope\u201d that transferred engine torque to the rear) were a great concept with their rear mounted transaxle and chopped in half 389-V8 turned into a 4-cylinder. I still remember those engines shaking around in their motor mounts under the hood. Just think what a balance shaft could have done for that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">I\u2019m also very fond of the 69-72 Grand Prix, another DeLorean brainchild. The man was truly a genius. The 1988 Fiero GT was a great car, too. Like the Corvair; when Pontiac finally got the suspension woes ironed out, they went and ceased production.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">I personally have owned only two Pontiacs, probably performance-wise at the absolute end of the spectrum. I had a 1989 20th Anniversary Trans Am with the Buick turbocharged V6, that thing was a rocket! I still have my 2003 AWD Pontiac Vibe that I bought a couple of years back for a \u201cwinter beater\u201d.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Seeing the picture of the Vibe in your article is what prompted me to write this letter. It truly is a great little car as you have mentioned, being a mechanical twin to the Toyota Matrix. Underpowered with only 123-horsepower on tap from the Toyota 1.8, she\u2019s no speed demon! A 180-horsepower variant was offered with the Vibe GT with a 6-speed manual. I imagine that makes for a fun little car but was not available in AWD configuration unfortunately.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">I think where the AWD Vibe shines versus its FWD counterpart is in the handling department. The FWD versions have a solid beam axle in the rear. The AWD versions, however, have an independent rear suspension set up sourced from the Toyota Celica GTS and will bolt right in the Vibe \/ Matrix.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_100181\" style=\"width: 998px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector4.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-100181\" class=\"size-full wp-image-100181\" src=\"http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector4.jpg\" alt=\"Cars We Remember \/ Collector Car Corner; Buick club founder responds and a pair of impressive Pontiacs\" width=\"988\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector4.jpg 988w, http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector4-300x121.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.greenstreetdata.com\/PS\/owego\/files\/2024\/02\/Car_Collector4-768x311.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 988px) 100vw, 988px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-100181\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">One of Sena\u2019s past muscle cars include the rare, Buick V6 Turbo powered, 1989 20th&nbsp;Anniversary Pontiac Trans-Am. This car was one of the true \u201csleepers\u201d of the decade thanks to the Buick power. Sena is the owner of The Villa Sena restaurant in Towanda, known for great food and excellent ambiance. (Sena Collection)<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Being a \u201cgearhead\u201d, I cannot help but wonder how much fun it would be swapping the 180 HP Vibe GT engine under the hood. However, from what I\u2019ve read, the AWD transmission is not up to task with the increased horsepower and torque.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">The Vibe I own has 228,000 miles on the clock, still runs and shifts like new, and goes really well in the snow. No squeaks or rattles, doors all open and close perfectly, clearly a testament to Toyota build quality. I\u2019ll probably keep it as long as it passes inspection.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Unfortunately, the rear subframes on the AWD models are especially prone to rust here in the \u201csalt belt\u201d region. When you see an AWD model for sale, there is almost always a problem with that. Not many AWD versions were sold in the southern or western states.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">In closing, I always enjoy your articles each week and I read every one of them! Keep up the good work. On a side note, your same article in today\u2019s paper mentions the Packard V12. My father had a 1934 Packard V12 when I was very young. It was prone to vapor locking, as I remember. When the thing would quit my dad would pour some cold water around the fuel bowl on the carburetor, and it would fire right up.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Thanks again for all the great articles and reviving an old memory with the Packard. Sincerely, Mike Sena, Towanda, Pa.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">A: Mike, what a wonderful surprise. I must let my readers know up front that we know each other quite well. As publisher of the Daily Review from 2008 to 2015 I ate at your fine dining establishment, The Villa Sena, at least once a week, sometimes more. Whatever reason presented itself, I was a happy customer. (Check Mike\u2019s Facebook Page, Villa Sena, for everything you need to know about this fine food establishment.)&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">As for your past and present Pontiacs, you had one very fast muscle car in that 20th Anniversary Trans-Am back in 1989. In a decade not known for fast muscle cars, once enthusiasts found out it had a Buick Turbo V-6 under the hood they knew buying one ensured a truly fast car.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Your 2003 Vibe proves what a great car this Toyota in Pontiac dress really is. That\u2019s why I highly recommend to any and all used car buyers to check these Vibe models closely, and if they pass the rust test that Mike pinpoints try and park it in your driveway. It\u2019s a secure daily driver with excellent owner reliability records. Your Vibe is fine-looking thanks to the chrome wheel treatment and your overall impressive car care. Considering it\u2019s 21 years old, it still looks great sitting alongside today\u2019s vehicles.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">And thanks again, Mike, for your kind words.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><i>(Greg Zyla is a syndicated automotive writer who welcomes reader input on auto nostalgia, collector cars and motorsports at&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:greg@gregzyla.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">greg@gregzyla.com<\/a> or <a href=\"mailto:extramile_2000@yahoo.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">extramile_2000@yahoo.com<\/a>. Snail mail goes to 303 Roosevelt St.,&nbsp;Sayre, Pa.<\/i> <i>18840.)<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Greg Zyla &#8212; We\u2019re trying to get caught up on our mail, and thanks to my loyal readers who take the time to correspond&#8230;.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":100178,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-100177","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-editorial"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Cars We Remember \/ Collector Car Corner; Buick club founder responds and a pair of impressive Pontiacs - Owego Pennysaver Press<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"http:\/\/www.owegopennysaver.com\/PS\/2024\/02\/03\/cars-we-remember-collector-car-corner-buick-club-founder-responds-and-a-pair-of-impressive-pontiacs\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Cars We Remember \/ Collector Car Corner; 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